19 January 2022 at 10:20 am

Turmeric

My golden retriever aged 9 has arthritis in her elbow, otherwise she is fit & well. She still wants to run & jump but we have to restrict her. She is on carp rive (prescribed by vet) but still limps.

My question is: – Can I give her turmeric paste as well or does it interfere with her current medication.

dogboots4hol

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:20 am

    We also tried the turmeric (as golden paste) for my boy and he was on a teaspoon three times a day and we didn’t notice any difference at all. I was disappointed as everyone on the facebook group raves about brilliant results.

    Nothing worked like the Previcox, but had hoped for something with the golden paste.

  • CAM Responded

    19 January 2022 at 10:21 am

    I have not read anything that would suggest that giving those two medications together are contraindicated.

    I have heard mixed results with using turmeric for arthritis and believe it or not there is little paperwork in the veterinary field to prove its worth, which much info coming from studies on humans and subjective assessments.

    I would suggest give it a go, but be very objective with your assessments of its affects, looking for sustained improvement in a number of clinical signs of pain, such as limp, enthusiasm  to walk, ability to flex elbow etc. There is a chronic pain indicator chart on the website that you could fill in prior to starting it and then reassess every 2 weeks.

    Regards,
    Hannah

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:22 am

    I’ve posted on another thread somewhere on here.

    I’ve tried Golden Paste and Curcumin paste over past few years with Luna whilst she was taking Carprieve and both times I’ve realised after a few weeks/month that Luna is having a gait change deterioration so I’ve stopped the turmeric intake and found her gait improving again.

    LOTS of people say they find it helpful and so do their dogs. I researched a lot to see if there were any interaction studies but really didn’t find anything.

    Worth a try I guess!

  • CAM Responded

    19 January 2022 at 10:22 am

    That’s really interesting… as I do get down about peoples blind faith in anything “natural”. There is very little evidence in the veterinary field to suggest its effectiveness

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:23 am

    I’m afraid that I’ve snapped in the past at very well-meaning people often complete strangers telling me that turmeric/green-lipped mussel/some supplement that their friend found has been a miracle cure for a dog.

    It breaks my heart that arthritis isn’t curable, I KNOW it is painful and I am ever grateful for a human arthritic friend who once shouted into cyber space in capital letters that my girl needed PROPER PAIN RELIEF AS ARTHRITIS ******** HURTS! She was right and I saw the response and happiness proving that from Luna. Luna does get the supplements and swimming and physio etc as well. Everything plays its part but knowing that she has proven pain relief in her is essential to me.

    Sadly Arthritis only gets worse, it doesn’t go away and so many people say their dog ‘just has a touch of arthritis and walks it off’…

    Anyhow. Rant over! lol

  • CAM Responded

    19 January 2022 at 10:24 am

    This is an interesting thread for me as I find myself confused much of the time. I read scientific studies have generated no proof of its effect, and also think if it was that effective it would be being marketed more extensively in its active form by the food industry and pharma companies.

    It would be the easiest thing to test in a double blinded placebo controlled way and that’s where it fails to prove effect over natural waxing and waning which can produce a 40% improvement periodically in a dog.

    Is it the public service desperation to find a fix? To believe that Mother Nature is the best source of medication? That all involved in the medicinal industry are evil?

    I wholly support people trialing anything and everything in their dog. I would love people to understand that arthritis presentation in their dog can be affected by so many variables. I know this very well, Holly will seem better just if I am happier and more encouraging. Caregiver placebo is very powerful. But for them to ideally initiate one thing at a time so they can actually seek out what is effective and invest wisely. (I do think that helps with supplements that have dubious proof of worth, they are affordable.) and more importantly seek truth of pain controlling affects, not think their dog is better because everyone has told them whatever used will work wonders..

    Morning rant. I think this would be a good Facebook topic but very controversial

    Hannah xx

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:24 am

    I couldn’t understand how so many people were getting great result and not me. I did post to ask the question and was suggested to try more but my poor dog I think was sick of it and I was too. Quite a few others came out to say it hadn’t worked for them either.

    Another interesting one is CBD do you know much about that and it’ pain relieving properties.. Maybe a new thread

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:25 am

    Interesting as I too have found no benefit with ‘Golden Paste’ despite the claims on FB. You see video clips of dogs running around at 14/15 but when all come to all they are often also on a NSAID or other form of pain relief as well… not sure why they think it is the GP that is doing the job! There is quite a bit of information on complementary medicines for humans and I guess this is the best starting point. I am interested in looking at Boswellia serrate, I have been using Dasuquin advanced for my dogs one finds it a bit too difficult to tolerate (has a sensitive system) and the other is doing pretty well on it.

    Would also be interested in thoughts on CBD oil as that is another one that comes up as being recommended regularly.

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:25 am

    Thank you for these comments & I have to say that I agree as we are not seeing any improvement at all. I’m not against anything natural after all if it does no good it does no harm, but, here’s the big but I have. I had a dog called Zoe. She was a golden ret & was diagnosed with stage 3 Lymphoma when she was 11. Immediately I took her to my vet to put a plan in place. I asked what were her chances. He said 2 weeks maybe or Chemo. That day as Zoe was still fit in herself I decided to take the Chemo route. Why? because I wanted to be able to tell myself if I did lose her then I gave her every chance I could. Well, Zoe made it. Zoe hit remission in 8 day’s. She was discharged the following year & lived out her life to 15 yrs of age cancer free. I am skeptical when I keep hearing Turmeric can almost cure “everything” ?? the more I hear the less I believe. If it was such a “cure” for cancer why aren’t we using it? Sophie continues to be lame. The CT scan shows Arthritis nothing else thank goodness. She is a very active 9 year old with a hip score of just 3/3. I don’t want her on pain killers for the rest of her life so am looking into a elbow replacement. We have a vet appt tonight to will keep you posted. Re Zoe. I lost Zoe April 02nd 2016. She was 15. She was cured of cancer thanks to Chemo. Zoe died from natural causes & old age, she was cancer free when she dies. In her memory a group was set up called Zoe’s Journey Uk to help people through what I went through. Zoe’s legacy also supports Cancer Research in dogs & in 2 years we have raised £126,000.00 to research cancer in dogs. Despite the claims I really feel we are still a million miles away from a cure & we have to carry on. Thank you all so much for your views. Sophie I am determined will walk again normally & if it takes a replacement then so be it. xx

  • CAM Responded

    19 January 2022 at 10:26 am

    £126000. oh my god that is incredible! absolutely incredible. you legend!

    We need to recruit some of your fund raising strategies as we aint anywhere near that!

    but also thank you for your thoughts… Its really important to me and CAM that we start creating a “pathway” for people to negotiate what works for them and what doesn’t and not feel “bullied” for saying something didn’t work for them … by saying something hasn’t worked, it opens up room to find the thing that will work!!

    Love it

    Hannah xx

  • CAM Responded

    19 January 2022 at 10:26 am

    This is a very interesting thread.

    I’m also all for anyone trying anything (within reason!) to try and alleviate pain and improve their dog’s quality of life. I get a little cross when we are told within the veterinary industry that we are close minded because we reach for evidence based medicines and not natural products with no scientific evidence supporting them. I actually feel that particularly here at CAM, we say go for it – use it. If it works for you and your dog then hooray, we’re happy for you! (But be aware of the caregiver placebo as mentioned by Hannah above) But please don’t be so anti EBM and then accuse us of being close minded – we’re being more open minded than those who shout us down.

    I also feel a bit ragey when someone posts that those using EBM are putting “nasty” chemicals into their dog, and imply it is the wrong thing to do. It’s totally the opposite of what we are trying to encourage. Horses for courses and all that, what works for one might not work for another, but nobody is doing anything “wrong”.

    Rant over. Just saying it’s interesting to see someone saying that golden paste doesn’t work for them when it seems to pop up on every post over on FB. So thank you for the balance!

    Lynsey

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:27 am

    Hannah, thank you so much. We have funded 6 years research into lymphoma now so we are well on our way to helping thousands out there. The fact is 25% of all dogs will get cancer, 50% of all dogs over 10 will get cancer those are the facts. Chemo cure zoe, I am concerned that turmeric is being held the way forward with arthritis in dogs and cancer claims too. If it is why is it not used as a cure?? I am open minded. Sophie is intermittently lame. We saw our vet last night and the good news is he said she is not a candidate for a elbow replacement as her lameness was mild, so we are here at the moment. Thank you for your lovely reply. xx

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:27 am

    Lynsey thank you for your response. Very interesting & I agree. I think anyone would want to try what’s best for their dog, wither natural or not. I decided that day My Vet told me Zoe had cancer…..Chemo, that was my decision, and I based that on:- Time. The one thing we can’t give Cancer is time. If chemo failed then the cancer would be a bigger mountain & stronger in Zoe’s body. Had the chemo have failed then who know’s. There would be nothing to lose to try anything to help her. As it was Zoe beat lymphoma hands down at 12 years of age & walked away. Some cancers (not all) in dogs we can cure, however Arthritis Diabetes these conditions remain only manageable. I am prepared to try whatever I can for Sophie. We saw our Vet last night and Sophie is not a candidate for elbow replacement, she is not lame enough so Arthrospy will be our next try to clean out the joint, remove any debris & round of if applicable the head of the elbow. Sophie remains her happy go lucky self & Im going to try and do all I can for her to keep it that way. Im still giving her the Golden Paste. So lets see where we go from here. Thank you for all the replies it’s really good to see everyone’s opinion. xx

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:29 am

    Hello, apologies for the late arrival on this thread.

    dogboots4hol it is amazing to hear about your fundraising for canine cancer, and your sharing of Zoe’s story.
    Also glad to hear that Sophie’s pain is mild. Please let us know how her arthroscopy goes.
    In terms of tumeric and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medication interaction there is a caution to their use together. Cucurmin (the active ingredient in turmeric) may slow blood clotting and the same can be said for many non-steroidals such as Carprieve. Thus, using them together can increase the chance of abnomal bleeding. Having said that, I know of a number of dogs that take the two alongside each other without any problems. For me this highlights the need to take supplements alongside veterinary advice, monitoring and care. Many supplements are not entirely innocuous even if they are ‘natural’. I would agree that anything claiming to be a ‘miracle cure’ should be viewed with healthy scepticism and scrutiny. If not under specific veterinary supervision with the Carprieve and turmeric my suggestion would be to switch from using the turmeric to using an omega 3 supplement such as a good quality salmon oil (stored in a dark bottle to slow oxidation) or a preparatory supplement such as Flexadin Advanced or others mentioned in this forum.
    I will be posting more about cbd and other supplements over the coming weeks…keep a look out on our FAQs page and Facebook.

    Warm wishes, Shona

  • CAM Forum User

    19 January 2022 at 10:30 am

    Thank you to all who have posted on here. We have stopped the Turmeric, I am also surprised at the so called “miracle” it is supposed to be. It has made no difference to Sophie at all, but neither has anything else. She is very lame and despite ONSIOR DASAQUIN, GREEN LIPPED MUSSEL COSEQUIN etc and now pain killers NOTHING has worked. She has had the following:- 2 xrays, 1 CT scan 1 needle biopsy of joint fluid and this is what we have:- Ok I run Zoe’s Journey Uk and work with people who have cancer in their dogs so that was my first dread. ( We have to think about is as so many get it) Sophie’s left shoulder leg & elbow were scanned CT xrayed twice the results were:- No masses, no cancer, no nasty surprises. Great, but she can’t walk properly. The test show Arthritis and thinning of cartledge.

    dogboots4hol

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